1 00:00:00,250 --> 00:00:03,003 (Dynamic music) 2 00:00:03,128 --> 00:00:05,588 ♪ 3 00:00:05,714 --> 00:00:15,098 (Text on screen) 4 00:00:16,474 --> 00:00:18,100 (Dramatic instrumental music) 5 00:00:18,225 --> 00:00:21,312 ♪ 6 00:00:35,826 --> 00:00:38,579 We had this person that approached the police, 7 00:00:38,704 --> 00:00:40,914 wanted to be an agent, 8 00:00:40,999 --> 00:00:43,585 and could gather evidence against ‘Ndrangheta members. 9 00:00:46,295 --> 00:00:48,213 This agent was the first time we had somebody 10 00:00:48,338 --> 00:00:51,009 since the famous Cecil Kirby as a police agent 11 00:00:51,091 --> 00:00:54,637 targeting the Commissos and the ‘Ndrangheta since the '80's. 12 00:00:57,265 --> 00:00:58,975 Anytime you are running an agent, 13 00:00:59,057 --> 00:01:01,310 the amount of stress that’s on an agent, 14 00:01:01,435 --> 00:01:04,522 the concern about that agent being found out. 15 00:01:04,605 --> 00:01:08,567 The agent testified that Cosimo wanted to murder him. 16 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:11,612 There was a vote, whether he would live or die. 17 00:01:15,617 --> 00:01:17,534 [Indiscernible] 18 00:01:19,495 --> 00:01:21,414 I’m almost certain that people are watching us right now, 19 00:01:21,539 --> 00:01:23,625 wondering what we’re up to. 20 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:26,084 They are kind of allergic to cameras. 21 00:01:26,168 --> 00:01:28,462 So we put together an operational plan 22 00:01:28,587 --> 00:01:30,298 {\an8}and O'Phoenix was born. 23 00:01:35,135 --> 00:01:37,013 {\an8}The mob is what controls the world. 24 00:01:39,140 --> 00:01:41,391 {\an8}A drug Lord is one thing. 25 00:01:41,475 --> 00:01:43,227 {\an8}Bikers are another thing... 26 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:49,275 {\an8}but the mob controls banks, lawyers, policemen, 27 00:01:49,358 --> 00:01:51,694 {\an8}money laundering, drugs. 28 00:01:51,819 --> 00:01:54,489 {\an8}Worldwide, you're talking about $80 billion a year. 29 00:01:55,614 --> 00:01:57,450 {\an8}It's like an octopus. 30 00:01:57,534 --> 00:02:00,620 {\an8}They have their fingers everywhere, every country, 31 00:02:00,703 --> 00:02:02,204 {\an8}it's never ending. 32 00:02:09,711 --> 00:02:14,800 {\an8}Most people are completely swamped by the American 33 00:02:14,883 --> 00:02:18,096 {\an8}mythology of organized crime. 34 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:20,806 {\an8}The reasons for the mob’s success are clear, 35 00:02:20,931 --> 00:02:24,310 {\an8}organization and discipline, vows of secrecy and loyalty, 36 00:02:24,435 --> 00:02:27,813 {\an8}insulation of its leaders from direct criminal involvement. 37 00:02:27,938 --> 00:02:30,358 {\an8}It's a very nasty world, very violent. 38 00:02:33,735 --> 00:02:36,906 {\an8}There's not only Sicilians, there are those from Calabria, 39 00:02:37,031 --> 00:02:38,699 {\an8}the southern part of Italy, 40 00:02:38,782 --> 00:02:40,784 {\an8}the Calabrese called the ‘Ndrangheta. 41 00:03:16,778 --> 00:03:21,199 {\an8}The ‘Ndrangheta basically morphed from something in Italy, 42 00:03:21,283 --> 00:03:23,161 {\an8}to the new world. 43 00:03:23,243 --> 00:03:25,663 {\an8}It’s a very different situation here in Canada. 44 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:33,712 {\an8}Remo Commisso runs the Commisso clan in Toronto, Canada. 45 00:03:33,795 --> 00:03:36,299 {\an8}If you wanted to draw a picture of a mafia leader, 46 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:37,508 {\an8}he would be it. 47 00:03:42,847 --> 00:03:45,557 {\an8}They’re organized crime, murder incorporated. 48 00:03:45,682 --> 00:03:48,394 {\an8}They kill people and get away with it. 49 00:03:48,478 --> 00:03:52,439 {\an8}The Commissos were new Canadians who were more aggressive. 50 00:03:52,564 --> 00:03:58,236 {\an8}There was a lot of money in getting people shot or scared 51 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,447 {\an8}or blown up. 52 00:03:59,572 --> 00:04:02,699 {\an8}[explosion] 53 00:04:23,553 --> 00:04:26,598 If you were to ask Remo Commisso or Cosimo Commisso, 54 00:04:26,723 --> 00:04:28,350 {\an8}they're just businessmen 55 00:04:28,475 --> 00:04:31,437 {\an8}living their life just like anyone else. 56 00:04:31,521 --> 00:04:33,355 {\an8}They have nothing to do with crime. 57 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,940 And if you look at their portfolio, 58 00:04:35,024 --> 00:04:36,942 if you look at their outward image, 59 00:04:37,026 --> 00:04:39,278 there's a lot of philanthropy there. 60 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:42,615 {\an8}There's a lot of hobnobbing with high-ranking people, 61 00:04:42,740 --> 00:04:46,244 {\an8}politicians, important people in the business world, developers. 62 00:04:47,995 --> 00:04:49,579 But if you talk to the police, 63 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:52,250 these are some of the most 64 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:54,752 {\an8}important ruthless Italian organized crime 65 00:04:54,836 --> 00:04:56,670 {\an8}'Ndrangheta members, 66 00:04:56,754 --> 00:05:00,550 not just in Toronto or Canada, but in the world. 67 00:05:01,509 --> 00:05:03,970 And we're not talking about low-level street thugs. 68 00:05:04,052 --> 00:05:05,762 We're not talking about street gangs, 69 00:05:05,846 --> 00:05:07,307 we're talking about 70 00:05:07,348 --> 00:05:09,766 transnational powerful crime groups, 71 00:05:09,850 --> 00:05:11,769 one of the largest crime groups in the world. 72 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:17,774 Over the years we've learned that the 'Ndrangheta’s control 73 00:05:17,858 --> 00:05:21,487 in Canada has become extremely significant. 74 00:05:21,571 --> 00:05:23,947 Our investigations, as well as Italian investigations, 75 00:05:24,031 --> 00:05:26,701 have identified various family names. 76 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:31,663 They're very influential in York region in the GTA in Canada. 77 00:05:31,747 --> 00:05:37,836 You're looking at DeMaria Russo, Tavernese, Coluccio, 78 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,673 Commisso and Carmine Verducci, and really it was 79 00:05:41,757 --> 00:05:44,009 the Italian investigation of Project Crimini 80 00:05:44,093 --> 00:05:48,764 where they were identifying the 'Ndrangheta, the Calabrians, 81 00:05:48,889 --> 00:05:50,516 and that's where we first started 82 00:05:50,557 --> 00:05:53,769 to really understand who these members were. 83 00:07:14,516 --> 00:07:15,810 Hundreds of mourners packed a church 84 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:17,769 to pay their last respects 85 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:21,732 to the son of Canada’s most notorious mobster. 86 00:07:21,815 --> 00:07:23,817 He bore the Rizzuto name. 87 00:07:25,069 --> 00:07:28,697 A gunman fired half a dozen shots and killed Rizzuto Monday. 88 00:07:28,822 --> 00:07:32,451 {\an8}It was a mob-style hit in broad daylight. 89 00:07:32,576 --> 00:07:37,831 {\an8}Back in 2009, 2010, the Rizzuto murders started happening. 90 00:07:37,956 --> 00:07:39,625 HIs father Vitto Rizzuto 91 00:07:39,666 --> 00:07:42,002 is the reputed Don of the Montreal mafia. 92 00:07:42,127 --> 00:07:44,129 He is serving a jail sentence in Colorado 93 00:07:44,213 --> 00:07:45,923 on racketeering charges. 94 00:08:02,189 --> 00:08:04,774 At that time there was intelligence to suggest 95 00:08:04,858 --> 00:08:06,651 that the ‘Ndrangheta might have been involved 96 00:08:06,776 --> 00:08:08,696 in some of the Rizzuto murders. 97 00:08:10,947 --> 00:08:13,992 The sudden and natural death of mob kingpin Veto Rizzuto 98 00:08:14,076 --> 00:08:17,538 in December, it left a power vacuum. 99 00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:20,665 The 'Ndrangheta came on our radar. 100 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:24,045 The belief was that the 'Ndrangheta and the GTA, 101 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:25,670 there might be a turf war. 102 00:08:25,754 --> 00:08:29,716 You know, a vacuum occurs for control. 103 00:08:31,009 --> 00:08:35,514 Project O'Phoenix started in 2014 because of all the murders 104 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,059 between the Sicilian Mafia and the 'Ndrangheta. 105 00:08:39,184 --> 00:08:41,895 All this violence in the streets led the police to try 106 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:44,899 to take a serious shot at the 'Ndrangheta. 107 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:48,528 There's a very large presence, 108 00:08:48,610 --> 00:08:52,114 upwards of 3,000 'Ndrangheta members in Ontario. 109 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,493 There's very powerful members and bosses here 110 00:08:55,576 --> 00:08:57,537 but a lot of people in the criminal circles 111 00:08:57,662 --> 00:08:59,538 never even heard of. 112 00:08:59,621 --> 00:09:02,917 The Secret Society, but they're grown in numbers. 113 00:09:04,543 --> 00:09:07,629 Project O'Phoenix, there were four primary targets. 114 00:09:07,754 --> 00:09:09,215 Cosimo Commisso, 115 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:11,008 Giuseppe Ursino, 116 00:09:11,091 --> 00:09:12,717 Carmine Verducci, 117 00:09:12,802 --> 00:09:13,927 and Diego Serrano. 118 00:09:15,763 --> 00:09:17,847 With Cosimo Commisso as one of their targets, 119 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:20,142 you can't aim much higher than that. 120 00:09:20,225 --> 00:09:23,980 Cosimo Commisso was believed to be one of the most important 121 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:27,774 Italian 'Ndrangheta mafia members in this country. 122 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:31,278 O'Phoenix, that investigation 123 00:09:31,403 --> 00:09:34,155 was what we would call agent led. 124 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:38,244 Sometimes an investigation, you know you have a priority target, 125 00:09:38,326 --> 00:09:42,539 but you have no ability or opportunity 126 00:09:42,623 --> 00:09:44,375 to have a successful investigation. 127 00:09:44,457 --> 00:09:46,668 You can't just listen to people's phone calls. 128 00:09:46,793 --> 00:09:48,629 They're never going to talk about crime over the phone 129 00:09:48,712 --> 00:09:50,880 and they're never going to admit to anything else. 130 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,758 Even through a forensic investigation, 131 00:09:52,841 --> 00:09:54,634 if they've done their job really well, 132 00:09:54,719 --> 00:09:56,846 they can hide how they've laundered their money. 133 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:00,307 Informants are crucial for getting convictions 134 00:10:00,432 --> 00:10:03,019 in organized crime cases in Canada, 135 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:05,980 especially when it deals with the 'Ndrangheta. 136 00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:08,649 Because of the power structure of the 'Ndrangheta 137 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:12,278 and so many of these people being literally related, 138 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,822 it's so hard to get an informant. 139 00:10:14,947 --> 00:10:18,701 So anytime you can get an actual organized crime member 140 00:10:18,826 --> 00:10:22,038 of the 'Ndrangheta to flip or one of their associates 141 00:10:22,163 --> 00:10:26,625 to actually wear a wire and try to take down 142 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:29,211 their business partners, it's massive. 143 00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:35,176 We had this person that approached the police 144 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:38,638 wanted to be an agent and could gather evidence 145 00:10:38,721 --> 00:10:40,597 against 'Ndrangheta members. 146 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:45,894 Carmine Guido had a reputation when we first identified him 147 00:10:46,019 --> 00:10:47,772 as an informant. 148 00:10:47,855 --> 00:10:51,232 He was well-connected within organized crime. 149 00:10:51,359 --> 00:10:54,110 He was a moneymaker through mortgage frauds. 150 00:10:54,195 --> 00:10:57,030 He was a moneymaker through drugs and drug trafficking. 151 00:10:58,448 --> 00:11:03,203 He had a life in the 'Ndrangheta circles. 152 00:11:03,328 --> 00:11:06,706 He was kind of seen as an enforcer 153 00:11:06,831 --> 00:11:09,000 just because of his physical presence 154 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:11,671 and possibly his reputation. 155 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:15,841 At some point, Carmine made the decision that he wanted 156 00:11:15,966 --> 00:11:17,967 out of the underworld. 157 00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:19,803 And that is the only people you're ever going to get 158 00:11:19,886 --> 00:11:21,681 that are going to be able to do this work. 159 00:11:21,764 --> 00:11:24,015 They're connected, they've been there forever. 160 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:26,184 This agent, was the first time we had somebody 161 00:11:26,268 --> 00:11:29,020 since the famous Cecil Kirby as a police agent 162 00:11:29,145 --> 00:11:33,067 targeting the Commissos and the 'Ndrangheta since the '80's 163 00:11:34,777 --> 00:11:36,736 So we put together an operational plan 164 00:11:36,861 --> 00:11:38,322 and O'Phoenix was born. 165 00:11:41,991 --> 00:11:43,744 Time is 1120 hours. 166 00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:47,373 Activate devices 2 and 4 for scenario 152. 167 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:50,042 This is Sergeant Brad Trainor. 168 00:11:50,125 --> 00:11:52,919 The agent was going to be tasked with going out 169 00:11:53,044 --> 00:11:56,131 on undercover scenarios and obtaining evidence 170 00:11:56,256 --> 00:11:58,926 against those four targets. 171 00:11:59,051 --> 00:12:01,886 We knew some of them were importing drugs, 172 00:12:01,971 --> 00:12:05,682 dealing in drugs and other criminal offenses, 173 00:12:05,765 --> 00:12:07,684 so we want to explore that. 174 00:12:10,270 --> 00:12:14,399 My friend is a little late to tell you face to face, 175 00:12:14,482 --> 00:12:16,360 No, no, he have it. 176 00:12:16,443 --> 00:12:17,945 He's coming, but it's coming from far end. 177 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:19,238 I don't want to text you all the-- 178 00:12:19,321 --> 00:12:20,740 Yeah, yeah. 179 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:22,115 When we purchase drugs, for example, 180 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,160 we want to see who the associates were 181 00:12:25,285 --> 00:12:27,745 and to find out who was importing the drugs 182 00:12:27,830 --> 00:12:28,956 into the country. 183 00:12:30,624 --> 00:12:34,961 We gathered evidence against Verducci by purchasing drugs 184 00:12:35,086 --> 00:12:36,880 and the same with Ursino. 185 00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:53,188 Pino Ursino comes from a large 'Ndrangheta family 186 00:12:53,313 --> 00:12:55,106 from Calabria. 187 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:57,902 They're well-known in Italy 188 00:12:57,985 --> 00:12:59,903 and they’re known for importing cocaine 189 00:12:59,986 --> 00:13:03,157 and drug activities in different countries. 190 00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:06,951 If you walked into the farmer's market in Bradford 191 00:13:07,035 --> 00:13:08,453 and saw Pino Ursino, 192 00:13:08,537 --> 00:13:10,956 you would never know he was a member 193 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:12,957 of one of the largest, most powerful criminal organizations 194 00:13:13,082 --> 00:13:14,083 in the world. 195 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:19,715 Carmine Verducci was also a prominent 'Ndrangheta boss. 196 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,384 He had his own family, his own following. 197 00:13:22,509 --> 00:13:25,178 He was known for violence, 198 00:13:25,303 --> 00:13:28,807 very colourful kind of a bull in a china shop. 199 00:13:28,890 --> 00:13:31,143 When a guy like Carmine Verducci is talking about 200 00:13:31,226 --> 00:13:33,812 importing a hundred kilos of cocaine. 201 00:13:33,895 --> 00:13:35,313 That's just one deal of many 202 00:13:35,438 --> 00:13:37,441 that are ongoing all of the time. 203 00:13:46,283 --> 00:13:50,955 So this whole area, there's a lot of mafia in this area. 204 00:13:55,708 --> 00:13:59,337 This is a typical community in Woodbridge in Vaughan. 205 00:13:59,462 --> 00:14:01,966 We did a lot of meetings in areas like this 206 00:14:02,048 --> 00:14:04,342 during the investigation, 207 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:07,011 and we even did some cocaine purchases 208 00:14:07,136 --> 00:14:08,471 in some of these parking lots. 209 00:14:10,057 --> 00:14:14,519 The police set up a company and we leased a warehouse 210 00:14:14,644 --> 00:14:18,440 just in case the targets want to see it was a real company. 211 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:21,527 It was up and operating and we were ready to go. 212 00:14:21,652 --> 00:14:23,403 We were serious 213 00:14:23,486 --> 00:14:26,072 to import coke and or any other products. 214 00:14:27,825 --> 00:14:29,284 There was a few different conspiracies. 215 00:14:29,368 --> 00:14:31,995 One was from Jamaica where they were going to hide it 216 00:14:32,078 --> 00:14:35,331 in five gallon buckets of jerk sauce. 217 00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:39,043 The cocaine was going to be in the jerk sauce 218 00:14:39,168 --> 00:14:42,214 and then they were going to extract it from the jerk sauce. 219 00:14:42,339 --> 00:14:45,009 These groups have so many different ways. 220 00:14:45,091 --> 00:14:48,928 One of the ways was they were going to put it into fish 221 00:14:49,053 --> 00:14:51,264 and it wasn't like a brick of cocaine. 222 00:14:51,389 --> 00:14:54,058 They were going to have thin strips of coke 223 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:56,061 and they sow the fish back up 224 00:14:56,144 --> 00:14:58,938 so you wouldn't notice the difference. 225 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:05,236 Once we get into the importation of the cocaine and the planning, 226 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:09,616 that's really where we put a lot of our focus on 227 00:15:09,741 --> 00:15:12,577 and we met with Commisso and Ursino 228 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:14,830 and talked about 'Ndrangheta too, 229 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:18,583 to learn more about their structure and hierarchy. 230 00:15:18,708 --> 00:15:22,337 Ursino through some of the scenarios was telling the agent 231 00:15:22,462 --> 00:15:23,964 that there's a very large presence 232 00:15:24,089 --> 00:15:25,841 of 'Ndrangheta in Ontario. 233 00:15:27,467 --> 00:15:30,095 The bosses have a very tight circle 234 00:15:30,178 --> 00:15:32,056 and only a few people know, 235 00:15:32,139 --> 00:15:34,390 they insulate themselves that way. 236 00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:38,479 Very rarely do they ever talk to people on the bottom level. 237 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:42,149 It's always like the corporate level, the executive level. 238 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:46,946 Ursino was talking about some members on the board of control. 239 00:15:47,028 --> 00:15:49,114 He mentioned Remo Commisso. 240 00:15:49,197 --> 00:15:51,200 In Project O'Phoenix, 241 00:15:51,283 --> 00:15:54,327 we never really got to see Remo Commisso a whole lot 242 00:15:54,452 --> 00:15:56,538 because he's always in the background. 243 00:15:56,663 --> 00:15:58,414 Cosimo Commisso was like the face 244 00:15:58,499 --> 00:16:00,125 of the Commisso crime family. 245 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:02,251 He was the boss on the street, 246 00:16:02,336 --> 00:16:03,921 but there was always intelligence 247 00:16:04,004 --> 00:16:06,130 that Remo was in the background, 248 00:16:06,255 --> 00:16:08,133 the puppet pulling the strings. 249 00:16:08,258 --> 00:16:09,592 The boss, the big boss. 250 00:16:12,428 --> 00:16:14,139 It's through those criminal investigations, 251 00:16:14,222 --> 00:16:15,640 not intelligence investigations, 252 00:16:15,682 --> 00:16:17,017 but actual criminal investigations, 253 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:19,227 where we learn who's part of that board 254 00:16:19,352 --> 00:16:22,313 and we learned through intercepts with Carmine Guido 255 00:16:22,438 --> 00:16:24,149 and Pino Ursino, 256 00:16:24,274 --> 00:16:26,317 they talked about who sat on that board 257 00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:29,529 and again named those family names, 258 00:16:29,654 --> 00:16:32,990 the Commissos, DeMarias, Figliomenis, right, and Russo. 259 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:35,369 They named those names in those and have those discussions 260 00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:36,870 about who controls what. 261 00:16:41,041 --> 00:16:44,086 Just a normal day in the intelligence office. 262 00:16:45,837 --> 00:16:47,589 The guys had come in and it was one of those deals 263 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:50,134 where, boss, you got to see this. 264 00:16:50,216 --> 00:16:53,470 If the guys are out on Verducci’s house 265 00:16:53,553 --> 00:16:56,639 {\an8}planning to do surveillance on him for the day 266 00:16:56,724 --> 00:17:00,226 {\an8}and suddenly a group of individuals start showing up. 267 00:17:01,602 --> 00:17:05,356 These are all well-known Siderno family members. 268 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:09,361 These are individuals who are very influential 269 00:17:09,444 --> 00:17:10,570 in the 'Ndrangheta. 270 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:16,410 You see Coluccio, you see Cosimo Commisso arriving. 271 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:20,580 You see them having conversations. 272 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:25,169 Surely it shows that these individuals meet. 273 00:17:25,251 --> 00:17:26,586 This is what it's like when they meet. 274 00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:32,009 It's not like something out of a movie where they're meeting 275 00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:35,429 around a boardroom table in some café or hotel. 276 00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:39,557 They're meeting at a suburban residential street 277 00:17:39,682 --> 00:17:42,435 and here they are meeting at Verducci's house, 278 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,271 clearly having a conversation. Very significant. 279 00:17:56,866 --> 00:18:00,453 It was the spring of 2014 when we first approached Commisso. 280 00:18:02,330 --> 00:18:05,166 Cosimo Commisso, he's kind of a combination 281 00:18:05,291 --> 00:18:09,421 of an 'Ndrangheta boss, a CEO and a politician. 282 00:18:09,546 --> 00:18:13,217 'Ndrangheta boss runs the daily criminal activities 283 00:18:13,299 --> 00:18:15,219 of the organization. 284 00:18:15,301 --> 00:18:18,096 The CEO looks after the 'Ndrangheta structure 285 00:18:18,221 --> 00:18:20,097 and is profit driven 286 00:18:20,182 --> 00:18:23,059 and the politician obviously deals with disputes 287 00:18:23,143 --> 00:18:26,020 and some types of negotiations. 288 00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:55,384 Carmine Guido, he owed a debt to Cosimo Commisso 289 00:18:55,509 --> 00:18:57,094 that he needed to pay off. 290 00:18:57,176 --> 00:18:59,596 All of that helped build the scenarios 291 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,557 for the many conversations 292 00:19:01,682 --> 00:19:04,351 and the many intercepts that occurred. 293 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,522 One of Cosimo Commisso's favourite hangouts was a bakery 294 00:19:09,647 --> 00:19:12,025 owned by Big Joe Cuntrera. 295 00:19:13,902 --> 00:19:16,529 Big Joe Cuntrera was an organized crime figure 296 00:19:16,654 --> 00:19:18,656 on the Sicilian side. 297 00:19:18,781 --> 00:19:21,701 The Cuntrera Mafia family runs 298 00:19:21,826 --> 00:19:24,246 a multimillion dollar worldwide enterprise 299 00:19:24,371 --> 00:19:27,833 smuggling heroine and hashish from Southeast Asia 300 00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:31,545 and India through Sicily, Great Britain and Canada 301 00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:33,087 to the United States. 302 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:38,343 So this is the bakery on the left owned by Big Joe. 303 00:19:38,468 --> 00:19:44,641 We had the agent coming in there and paying up the Commisso. 304 00:19:47,894 --> 00:19:50,521 Commisso’s routine was in the morning. 305 00:19:50,605 --> 00:19:52,857 He would go to Big Joe's place. 306 00:19:52,941 --> 00:19:58,654 It'd be a safe place to discuss business, criminal activities. 307 00:19:58,739 --> 00:20:00,781 So this is Big Joe's bakery. 308 00:20:00,907 --> 00:20:03,785 I'm almost certain people are watching us right now 309 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,163 wondering what we're up to. 310 00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:08,539 They're kind of allergic to cameras 311 00:20:08,664 --> 00:20:10,625 usually when the police are holding them. 312 00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:14,503 Joe’s Cuntrera's bakery was bombed in 2018. 313 00:20:15,963 --> 00:20:18,549 Vaughan Fire got here about 1:37 in the morning. 314 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:20,719 They spotted a broken window, 315 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,555 looks like maybe a chair was used to smash the window. 316 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,391 Somebody was sending a message, obviously. 317 00:20:26,474 --> 00:20:30,354 From time to time that'll happen in the 'Ndrangheta circles. 318 00:20:30,436 --> 00:20:33,815 Around the time there was a few bombings in the GTA. 319 00:20:37,527 --> 00:20:39,654 [explosion] 320 00:20:43,866 --> 00:20:46,827 The entire wall of Café Coretto has been blown to pieces. 321 00:20:46,953 --> 00:20:48,997 Inside you can see gaming machines and a whiteboard 322 00:20:49,122 --> 00:20:50,539 where poker scores are kept. 323 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:52,709 And outside the car 324 00:20:52,792 --> 00:20:54,920 two men suspected of causing the explosion arrived in. 325 00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:58,214 The bombing sends a very strong message 326 00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:00,342 that somebody's not very happy with you. 327 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:05,305 The agent would often have undercover scenarios here, 328 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:07,473 but he was always invited. 329 00:21:07,557 --> 00:21:10,644 He would meet Cos Commisso here on a number of occasions. 330 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:13,313 Sometimes to discuss criminal activity, 331 00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:16,316 other times to pay a tribute and give him a gift of money. 332 00:21:18,026 --> 00:21:20,319 He would sit down at a different table 333 00:21:20,444 --> 00:21:23,990 and then Commisso would come over and talk to him. 334 00:21:24,115 --> 00:21:26,617 It's kind of a rule in the 'Ndrangheta circles 335 00:21:26,742 --> 00:21:29,954 that you just don't come up to a boss and start talking. 336 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:32,415 You have to be invited. 337 00:21:32,499 --> 00:21:36,545 The police agent would pay him maybe $500 or a $1,000 338 00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:38,797 maybe every couple of weeks. 339 00:21:38,922 --> 00:21:40,798 The agent will just say, I did something. 340 00:21:40,923 --> 00:21:43,009 This is for you. 341 00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:45,971 Commisso didn't really want to know what you were up to, 342 00:21:46,096 --> 00:21:47,346 but he wanted was your money. 343 00:21:48,682 --> 00:21:52,019 Greed is a motivating factor with Commisso 344 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,855 and that will keep Commisso happy 345 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:57,566 and the more times you paid him, 346 00:21:57,691 --> 00:21:59,651 the more times he liked you 347 00:21:59,692 --> 00:22:00,736 because he was getting his pockets lined with money. 348 00:22:02,403 --> 00:22:04,364 Whenever the agent spoke to Commisso, 349 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:06,365 he often talked in code. 350 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,035 He would whisper sometimes 351 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,996 almost like somebody's listening. 352 00:22:11,078 --> 00:22:12,748 There was one scenario 353 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:16,335 and the agents started talking criminality. 354 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:20,337 and Commisso kind of put his finger up to keep him quiet 355 00:22:20,463 --> 00:22:22,965 almost as if they were being recorded. 356 00:22:24,884 --> 00:22:27,804 On some occasions they would leave the café 357 00:22:27,887 --> 00:22:30,640 so nobody could overhear the conversation 358 00:22:30,723 --> 00:22:34,435 or it wasn't being recorded by someone inside the café. 359 00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:38,565 It's called a walk and talk. 360 00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:44,945 They do a lot of meetings face to face and we've seen it, 361 00:22:45,071 --> 00:22:50,285 whether it's with Commisso or with some of these other guys. 362 00:22:51,744 --> 00:22:54,498 They don't want to get caught on any wiretap. 363 00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:57,750 'Cause they also know technology works both ways. 364 00:23:00,586 --> 00:23:04,298 This was a banquet hall where the police agent went to a stag 365 00:23:04,423 --> 00:23:06,134 just to be seen 366 00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:09,471 with some of the other 'Ndrangheta associates. 367 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:17,520 The stags and the weddings are very important 368 00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:21,817 in Italian, of course, 'Ndrangheta culture. 369 00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,736 It's a place where these 'Ndrangheta families 370 00:23:24,819 --> 00:23:29,574 can go and meet and talk to one another on a social level, 371 00:23:29,657 --> 00:23:31,826 but still discuss business. 372 00:23:31,951 --> 00:23:33,577 Some of the families are in there, 373 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:36,498 they're kind of all together in groups 374 00:23:36,623 --> 00:23:39,792 and they kind of do that to show their power 375 00:23:39,917 --> 00:23:41,711 to the other families. 376 00:23:48,175 --> 00:23:53,432 The agent was at a stag on one undercover scenario, 377 00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:56,476 and it was at that stag that Commisso put his arm around 378 00:23:56,601 --> 00:24:01,605 the agent and he was showing him off to other associates 379 00:24:01,730 --> 00:24:05,986 saying that he was with him, he was with Commisso. 380 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:10,449 It was kind of a surprise to the agent that Commisso did that 381 00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:14,577 because the agent was already claimed by Giuseppe Pino Ursino 382 00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:15,953 and in the 'Ndrangheta world, 383 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:18,414 you're only claimed by one group. 384 00:24:18,498 --> 00:24:21,710 So the police were kind of shocked. 385 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:25,462 Once the agent was claimed by Commisso, 386 00:24:25,588 --> 00:24:28,884 that afforded him a level of protection 387 00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:30,343 in his criminal activities. 388 00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:34,306 The agent was in there, 389 00:24:34,346 --> 00:24:36,098 I think, until about 11:00 or 11:30 at night, 390 00:24:36,182 --> 00:24:38,643 and then we called it quits. 391 00:24:38,768 --> 00:24:42,564 And then a few hours later I get a call that there was a murder 392 00:24:42,689 --> 00:24:45,901 that happened here outside the banquet hall. 393 00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,068 There were likely more than a few mobsters gathered 394 00:24:48,194 --> 00:24:49,988 at the high rolling bachelor party, 395 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:51,823 but only two were killed 396 00:24:51,906 --> 00:24:53,950 when the gunfire rang out early this morning. 397 00:24:55,868 --> 00:24:58,454 They were murdered probably two, three hours 398 00:24:58,538 --> 00:25:01,625 after the agent had left the stag. 399 00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:05,045 So that gives you an idea like anything could happen 400 00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:07,756 at any time, anywhere. 401 00:25:13,803 --> 00:25:17,473 There's a wealth of evidence against Carmine Verducci 402 00:25:17,557 --> 00:25:20,519 that was obtained through those purchases of cocaine 403 00:25:20,644 --> 00:25:22,061 and firearms, 404 00:25:22,144 --> 00:25:24,564 and he was most certainly chargeable, 405 00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:26,775 but regrettably, he was murdered. 406 00:25:28,067 --> 00:25:29,693 The reports that there were multiple sounds 407 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:31,779 of gunshots heard. 408 00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:34,699 The man under the tarp, 56-year-old Carmine Verducci, 409 00:25:34,824 --> 00:25:38,161 known Italian hitman for the 'Ndrangheta crime group. 410 00:25:40,204 --> 00:25:45,585 Carmine Verducci was murdered April 24th, 2014. 411 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:48,212 We were going to do a scenario of Verducci that day, 412 00:25:48,296 --> 00:25:51,590 but we did one with another target. 413 00:25:51,715 --> 00:25:57,180 So that day he went out to the Regina Café and a car came up, 414 00:25:57,263 --> 00:25:59,057 two guys in hoodies, 415 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:02,018 and they executed 'em out in the parking lot. 416 00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:05,521 It was surprising that Verducci got killed. 417 00:26:15,155 --> 00:26:18,159 Ursino shed a little bit of light on that 418 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:20,161 during one of the scenarios 419 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:23,248 saying if you keep on making mistakes over and over, 420 00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:25,250 they'll come for you. 421 00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:26,875 He was telling the agent not to make mistakes, 422 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,586 'cause he goes, look at Verducci. 423 00:26:28,711 --> 00:26:30,212 Organized crime is very quiet 424 00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:32,214 and often that's also a reason why 425 00:26:32,298 --> 00:26:35,093 when people hear about it or if there was a murder 426 00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:37,136 on their street, 427 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:38,262 oh, I never thought something like this would happen 428 00:26:38,387 --> 00:26:40,640 in my community. 429 00:26:40,723 --> 00:26:42,726 They don't know that Verducci is meeting Cosimo Commisso 430 00:26:42,808 --> 00:26:45,604 and Coluccio on their street. 431 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:47,855 They don't even know who these individuals are 432 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:49,941 until suddenly they read in the paper 433 00:26:49,982 --> 00:26:52,652 that a guy named Verducci is murdered in Woodbridge. 434 00:26:54,362 --> 00:26:56,823 That homicide still remains unsolved. 435 00:27:01,827 --> 00:27:03,579 - Hello? 436 00:27:03,663 --> 00:27:05,123 - Hey Brad, I left eh, I’m on my way back. 437 00:27:05,205 --> 00:27:06,750 - Okay, sounds good. 438 00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:09,794 Stay in the car until we call you. 439 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,838 - We got a lot of good info I don’t know if you heard. 440 00:27:12,963 --> 00:27:15,049 - It’s great, we’ll talk about it when you get here. 441 00:27:15,174 --> 00:27:15,924 - Okay. 442 00:27:16,550 --> 00:27:17,676 - Awesome, thanks, bye. 443 00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:20,971 Anytime you're running an agent, 444 00:27:21,096 --> 00:27:22,848 the amount of stress that's on an agent, 445 00:27:22,973 --> 00:27:25,769 the concern about that agent being found out. 446 00:27:26,769 --> 00:27:28,020 How that agent lives their life 447 00:27:28,104 --> 00:27:30,315 outside of when you're handling them. 448 00:27:30,356 --> 00:27:33,734 A lot of stress on the agent, on all the investigators. 449 00:27:37,154 --> 00:27:42,326 We ran the agent from May, 2013 until the end of May, 2015. 450 00:27:42,451 --> 00:27:47,664 Two years, working undercover, was a long time for the agent 451 00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:50,710 and you could start to see during the end 452 00:27:50,835 --> 00:27:52,921 he was getting burned out. 453 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,007 - I know that name. That guy’s a piece of shit. 454 00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:58,968 You start to theorize, did they know... 455 00:27:59,051 --> 00:28:00,470 did they know he's an agent? 456 00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:02,346 Did they know? Did they suspect him? 457 00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:05,099 That goes through your mind over and over again. 458 00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:08,310 Was our surveillance burned? 459 00:28:08,394 --> 00:28:11,189 During that project, Cosimo Commisso found out 460 00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:13,273 through a contact at the banks 461 00:28:13,357 --> 00:28:16,861 that we'd executed production orders at the banks 462 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:20,365 so he became aware that the police were interested in him. 463 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,032 I mean, these guys always know 464 00:28:22,075 --> 00:28:23,367 the police were interested in them 465 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:25,077 but clearly that interest goes up and down 466 00:28:25,202 --> 00:28:27,247 and they get that too. 467 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:29,124 So all of a sudden does he start to evaluate, 468 00:28:29,249 --> 00:28:30,875 well, who am I talking to? 469 00:28:30,959 --> 00:28:32,711 What have I been saying? 470 00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:36,381 Time is 1251 hours. May 27th, 2015. 471 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:40,009 Activate devices 2 and 3 for scenario 228. 472 00:28:54,857 --> 00:28:58,444 The agent testified that Cos wanted to murder him 473 00:28:58,569 --> 00:29:01,239 on more than one occasion. 474 00:29:01,364 --> 00:29:03,615 And he even mentioned one time 475 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:09,955 that there was a vote whether he would live or die and he won. 476 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,666 So he got to live and keep on working. 477 00:29:14,877 --> 00:29:18,423 That goes to Ursino telling the agent, 478 00:29:18,506 --> 00:29:21,759 make sure you make no mistakes out there, right, 479 00:29:21,843 --> 00:29:23,803 because one day they're not even going to ask. 480 00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:25,721 They're just going to come get you. 481 00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:33,354 It's a real cat and mouse game that you play. 482 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:37,107 It was the second last scenario. 483 00:29:37,232 --> 00:29:40,111 The agent had a scenario with Cos Commisso 484 00:29:40,236 --> 00:29:43,948 and Commisso advised the agent, 485 00:29:44,031 --> 00:29:46,409 you got to be careful what you're doing in life. 486 00:29:46,492 --> 00:29:49,287 You got to think about yourself and your family. 487 00:29:49,369 --> 00:29:52,957 And the agent took that to mean Commisso was threatening him 488 00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:54,000 and his family. 489 00:30:14,311 --> 00:30:18,817 It looked like Commisso was onto the agent after two years. 490 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,109 So that is a concern, 491 00:30:21,193 --> 00:30:23,988 and then that's a decision that we make at that executive level. 492 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,115 Do we continue on with the investigation? 493 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:28,076 How at risk is he? 494 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:29,868 Often sometimes that also is one of the reasons 495 00:30:29,993 --> 00:30:32,454 why we decide it's time to take it down. 496 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,125 So at that point, we really couldn't go any further. 497 00:30:39,211 --> 00:30:44,342 May 27th, 2015, 1338 deactivate devices 2 and 2 498 00:30:44,424 --> 00:30:46,301 for scenario 228. 499 00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:02,317 Carmine was able to gather enough evidence that charges 500 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:06,364 were laid against Diego Serrano and Pino Ursino. 501 00:31:06,489 --> 00:31:08,907 Code named operation O'Phoenix. 502 00:31:09,032 --> 00:31:10,867 The early morning raids went deep 503 00:31:10,951 --> 00:31:13,371 into the highly protected hierarchy of the mafia. 504 00:31:13,453 --> 00:31:16,039 Police alleging they belong to two cells of the 'Ndrangheta 505 00:31:16,164 --> 00:31:18,041 operating in the GTA. 506 00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:20,295 Captured in the police net Giuseppe Ursino 507 00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:23,298 named by investigators as one of the top mob bosses. 508 00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:26,509 After the project O'Phoenix takedown, 509 00:31:26,593 --> 00:31:29,886 there were 19 people arrested and charged. 510 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:34,142 Most of those plead guilty and then Ursino and -- 511 00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:37,436 went to trial, and eventually they were convicted. 512 00:31:39,855 --> 00:31:42,482 Project O'Phoenix, It was the first investigation in Canada 513 00:31:42,608 --> 00:31:44,568 where the 'Ndrangheta was recognized 514 00:31:44,652 --> 00:31:48,405 as a criminal organization in a Canadian court. 515 00:31:48,530 --> 00:31:51,284 So on that part alone, it was a success. 516 00:31:53,619 --> 00:31:57,205 We did disrupt an importation group out of South America 517 00:31:57,289 --> 00:32:01,961 for bringing in cocaine, and we obtained evidence against 518 00:32:02,086 --> 00:32:06,089 most of the targets in the investigation. 519 00:32:06,173 --> 00:32:09,928 The police felt that there was enough to charge Commisso. 520 00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:13,096 The prosecution looked at it and the likelihood of prosecution 521 00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:16,099 of conviction was not there. 522 00:32:16,183 --> 00:32:20,646 So the prosecutors decided not to charge Commisso. 523 00:32:20,771 --> 00:32:23,441 They did a fantastic job, the prosecutors. 524 00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:27,153 Commisso just escaped again and it was narrow. 525 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,907 It's almost like he's so conditioned at this point 526 00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:35,286 to believe that he's always being intercepted, 527 00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:38,038 that he's always planting something there 528 00:32:38,163 --> 00:32:40,583 that would put doubt in a jury in the future 529 00:32:40,666 --> 00:32:42,961 that would put doubt in the mind of a judge 530 00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:45,171 in the future. 531 00:32:45,253 --> 00:32:51,094 He's so skilled and so wise in how to avoid prosecution. 532 00:32:51,176 --> 00:32:54,846 So he may last forever without ever being prosecuted. 533 00:33:08,778 --> 00:33:12,240 In 2018, a man by the name of Carmelo Muya 534 00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:15,951 is murdered in Calabria, in Siderno. 535 00:33:17,828 --> 00:33:21,164 His brother, Vincenzo Muya, wants to avenge 536 00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:23,166 his brother's death. 537 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:26,586 He goes into a fit of rage. 538 00:33:26,712 --> 00:33:30,465 He gets information from a man named Ricardo -- 539 00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:33,344 who actually tells him the answers you're looking for, 540 00:33:33,469 --> 00:33:35,221 lie in Canada. 541 00:34:03,332 --> 00:34:04,709 Which is remarkable. 542 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:07,627 A boss in Calabria gets murdered, 543 00:34:07,753 --> 00:34:11,632 and this guy's brother is being told and decides I need to go 544 00:34:11,757 --> 00:34:14,552 to Canada to get my answers. 545 00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:17,764 It really paints the picture of just how powerful 546 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:21,641 the mafia, the 'Ndrangheta, in Ontario are. 547 00:34:23,101 --> 00:34:24,561 He wants confirmation out of Toronto 548 00:34:24,644 --> 00:34:26,646 about who killed his brother, 549 00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:30,068 but beyond that, he wants permission to start a war. 550 00:34:30,150 --> 00:34:32,320 He wants to strike back. 551 00:34:32,402 --> 00:34:34,614 He wants to take out the people that he thinks are responsible 552 00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:36,364 for his brother's murder. 553 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:55,134 ...the afternoon when Antonio Muya was murdered, 554 00:34:55,259 --> 00:35:00,722 He was... hang out from this market because he worked there. 555 00:35:00,806 --> 00:35:04,476 ...riding on his bike. He was shot. 556 00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:10,190 What Vincenzo Muya doesn't realize is that 557 00:35:10,315 --> 00:35:11,943 after his brother's murder, 558 00:35:12,025 --> 00:35:15,737 the Italian police have tapped into his phone, 559 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,449 and this isn't just a traditional wiretap. 560 00:35:18,532 --> 00:35:21,159 They've turned Vincenzo Muya's phone 561 00:35:21,284 --> 00:35:23,079 into a two-way listening device. 562 00:35:24,996 --> 00:35:27,833 And Italian police decide, well, he's going to Canada, 563 00:35:27,958 --> 00:35:30,418 we have to keep listening to him. 564 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:34,382 The Italian police place a live bug underneath the airplane seat 565 00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:37,425 of Vincenzo Muya on his flight to Toronto. 566 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:40,887 He takes an Alitalia flight 567 00:35:41,012 --> 00:35:44,641 lands in Toronto on March 31st, 2019. 568 00:35:44,766 --> 00:35:46,643 From the second he gets off that plane, 569 00:35:46,768 --> 00:35:49,355 York Regional Police are surveilling him. 570 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,483 The Italians have managed to at least get York Regional Police 571 00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:55,152 to tail Muya and the people he's with 572 00:35:55,277 --> 00:35:57,028 while they're here in Canada. 573 00:35:59,030 --> 00:36:01,159 He has his meetings, but unfortunately for him, 574 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:03,827 he doesn't get his answers and so he's pissed. 575 00:36:03,911 --> 00:36:06,164 It's like I came all this way. 576 00:36:06,246 --> 00:36:08,583 I came to get my answers and I'm not getting anything. 577 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:10,168 He talks about the Commisso family. 578 00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:12,170 He talks about the Figliomeni family. 579 00:36:12,295 --> 00:36:14,172 He talks about the De Maria family and he says, 580 00:36:14,255 --> 00:36:16,257 I've been doing all these things for 20 years. 581 00:36:16,382 --> 00:36:17,842 I've been doing everyone's favours. 582 00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:19,802 I've been essentially a good soldier. 583 00:36:19,885 --> 00:36:22,137 You know what, forget it. I'm done with this. 584 00:36:24,097 --> 00:36:27,184 The cruel twist in all of this is that Muya doesn't realize 585 00:36:27,309 --> 00:36:30,855 he's walking right into Project Sindacato. 586 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:35,358 Project Sindacato is the biggest organized crime investigation 587 00:36:35,443 --> 00:36:37,527 in Canadian history. 588 00:36:37,652 --> 00:36:40,280 {\an8}Investigators are calling it the largest take down 589 00:36:40,405 --> 00:36:43,701 {\an8}of traditional organized crime by York Regional Police. 590 00:36:43,784 --> 00:36:45,869 Hundreds of officers involved, 591 00:36:45,952 --> 00:36:49,748 suspected major players in a mafia under arrest. 592 00:36:49,873 --> 00:36:52,751 {\an8}It led to what they are alleging here is the dismantling 593 00:36:52,876 --> 00:36:55,838 {\an8}of a well-known crime family in this region. 594 00:36:58,132 --> 00:37:02,677 In 2019 police execute dozens of search warrants. 595 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:05,389 They arrest nine members of the Figliomeni Crime Group. 596 00:37:05,472 --> 00:37:07,307 They seize five Ferraris 597 00:37:07,432 --> 00:37:10,268 along with dozens of other luxury vehicles. 598 00:37:10,393 --> 00:37:13,731 They seize millions of dollars worth of property. 599 00:37:13,856 --> 00:37:16,608 They seize hundreds of thousands of dollars 600 00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:19,653 in Rolex watches, alcohol. 601 00:37:19,778 --> 00:37:21,614 We're talking a $6,000 bottle of scotch. 602 00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:24,574 We're talking a $4,000 bottle of cognac. 603 00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:26,369 They take all these things. 604 00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:29,288 This was an $8 million investigation 605 00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:32,208 involving over 500 police officers 606 00:37:32,291 --> 00:37:34,710 from eight different law enforcement agencies. 607 00:37:34,793 --> 00:37:37,295 They think they've got it. They've cracked it. 608 00:37:39,005 --> 00:37:40,800 Sindacato was a significant takedown. 609 00:37:40,882 --> 00:37:46,222 Ultimately, it resulted in the arrest of a significant number 610 00:37:46,304 --> 00:37:48,641 more so than any other investigation. 611 00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:50,559 [In Italian] 612 00:37:52,853 --> 00:37:56,606 Add to it, its connection to the Italian investigation 613 00:37:56,731 --> 00:37:59,818 that was running parallel to the Canadian investigation. 614 00:37:59,943 --> 00:38:01,945 It was huge. 615 00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:05,324 One of the largest traditional organized crime arrests 616 00:38:05,449 --> 00:38:08,661 and takedowns that has occurred in, ever. 617 00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:12,789 And while police were targeting the Figliomeni crime family 618 00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:17,460 in this case, who do you inevitably see come up? 619 00:38:17,585 --> 00:38:19,130 The Commisso family. 620 00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:20,922 They're coming up in the documents. 621 00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:23,509 They're coming up in the investigative work. 622 00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:25,719 There's confidential informants talking about 623 00:38:25,844 --> 00:38:27,972 all these different families 624 00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:31,016 who are also part of the same 'Ndrangheta crime network 625 00:38:31,141 --> 00:38:34,311 when it comes to the 'Ndrangheta and Canada, 626 00:38:34,394 --> 00:38:37,398 {\an8}the Commisso are always going to be right here. 627 00:38:37,523 --> 00:38:39,650 {\an8}It's inescapable. 628 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:43,487 We needed to focus on taking down criminal organizations 629 00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:47,824 by attacking the finances, the laundering of dirty money 630 00:38:47,907 --> 00:38:50,702 and large profits from proceeds of crime 631 00:38:50,827 --> 00:38:55,333 that have built these organizations over decades 632 00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:57,376 and allowed them to thrive. 633 00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:04,425 The Italians often want Canadians to take action 634 00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:07,344 on deporting individuals. 635 00:39:07,427 --> 00:39:09,847 They have cases in Italy 636 00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:12,682 or charges of just mafia association. 637 00:39:12,807 --> 00:39:14,809 So if they're able to, through an investigation, 638 00:39:14,893 --> 00:39:20,608 show that a Canadian 'Ndrangheta member is now-- 639 00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:22,860 there's a warrant for their arrest in Italy 640 00:39:22,943 --> 00:39:25,112 for mafia association, 641 00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:27,822 they want us to be able to arrest that person 642 00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:30,617 and extradite them. 643 00:39:30,742 --> 00:39:33,371 The problem is that there's no such thing in Canada 644 00:39:33,454 --> 00:39:35,539 as mafia association. 645 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:38,333 There's no parallel charge. So it's not possible to do. 646 00:39:43,713 --> 00:39:46,384 In Italy they can do that. 647 00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:49,677 They can arrest you for being associated with Joe Blow, 648 00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:53,391 who's an assistant boss to the 'Ndrangheta. 649 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,643 I mean, what law did you break there? 650 00:39:58,186 --> 00:40:00,438 There's several challenges when it comes to investigating 651 00:40:00,563 --> 00:40:03,358 organized crime in Canada. 652 00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:05,945 One of the big ones is actually our laws. 653 00:40:08,155 --> 00:40:09,489 The laws in Canada aren't as strong as they should be 654 00:40:09,614 --> 00:40:12,076 when it comes to pursuing organized crime. 655 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,286 We don't have RICO laws like the states. 656 00:40:14,369 --> 00:40:16,704 We don't have mafia association laws like in Italy. 657 00:40:19,791 --> 00:40:25,922 RICO is an act that was passed by Congress in 1970. 658 00:40:26,005 --> 00:40:30,760 RICO is just an acronym for Racketeer Influenced Corrupt 659 00:40:30,885 --> 00:40:34,849 Organization Act, which basically created, 660 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:36,934 I'm going to call it like an uber crime 661 00:40:37,016 --> 00:40:40,938 for engaging in racketeering activity. 662 00:40:41,063 --> 00:40:43,940 The five mob bosses are accused of running the commission 663 00:40:44,065 --> 00:40:45,943 said to be the ruling body of the most powerful 664 00:40:46,025 --> 00:40:49,612 organized crime elements in the entire nation. 665 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:55,411 There was a recognition that traditional crimes on the books 666 00:40:55,494 --> 00:40:58,456 were not going to get you to prosecute the boss, 667 00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:00,331 the head of the family. 668 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,460 And until you can prosecute the upper echelon, 669 00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:04,670 you're not going to be able to take the power 670 00:41:04,795 --> 00:41:07,005 out of this organization. 671 00:41:07,088 --> 00:41:08,882 Today, federal officials tried to start making the mob bosses 672 00:41:09,007 --> 00:41:09,884 do the paying. 673 00:41:09,967 --> 00:41:11,969 For the first time ever, 674 00:41:12,052 --> 00:41:14,472 the reputed heads of all five crime families in our town 675 00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:16,514 were hauled into court on one indictment. 676 00:41:18,434 --> 00:41:20,436 {\an8}A lot of the organized crime in New York took a huge hit 677 00:41:20,518 --> 00:41:23,146 {\an8}because of the laws there, because of the RICO laws, 678 00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:25,483 but we don't have that here. 679 00:41:25,565 --> 00:41:27,818 So people who want to battle organized crime in Canada 680 00:41:27,943 --> 00:41:30,028 are at a bit of a disadvantage. 681 00:41:31,237 --> 00:41:32,822 You can look at the results. 682 00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:35,451 When I started in the office, all five bosses 683 00:41:35,534 --> 00:41:38,536 of the five near crime families who under indictment, 684 00:41:38,661 --> 00:41:41,664 they were all convicted and all went to jail 685 00:41:41,748 --> 00:41:44,126 for dozens of years. 686 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:46,128 {\an8}So proof is in the pudding. 687 00:41:46,211 --> 00:41:49,547 {\an8}This case charges more mafia bosses in one indictment 688 00:41:49,672 --> 00:41:51,675 {\an8}than any ever before. 689 00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:56,222 {\an8}In the absence of RICO, it's extremely hard to capture 690 00:41:56,347 --> 00:42:00,559 {\an8}the upper echelons of the mafia because they're very insulated. 691 00:42:07,858 --> 00:42:10,027 Our newsroom got a tip that we should take a look at 692 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:11,402 Project Sindacato, 693 00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:13,530 and this was at the point where 694 00:42:13,572 --> 00:42:16,659 the charges had been well-laid, the case was advancing, 695 00:42:16,742 --> 00:42:18,869 but one of the lawyers of the accused said, 696 00:42:18,994 --> 00:42:21,163 it's falling apart. 697 00:42:21,246 --> 00:42:23,164 I'm like, what do you mean it's falling apart? 698 00:42:23,248 --> 00:42:27,961 Everything was essentially done, poof, gone in smoke. 699 00:42:28,086 --> 00:42:30,213 There were cars, cash, even homes, 700 00:42:30,297 --> 00:42:35,260 $35 million worth seized in 2018 in what York Regional Police 701 00:42:35,385 --> 00:42:37,387 dubbed Project Sindacato, 702 00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:39,556 the force's biggest organized crime bust ever. 703 00:42:39,681 --> 00:42:42,141 Now, those accused are walking away. 704 00:42:42,268 --> 00:42:45,938 The charges for all of those accused have been stayed. 705 00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:49,065 Figliomeni's lawyer saying he accused investigators in court 706 00:42:49,148 --> 00:42:52,068 of using wiretaps to listen in on conversations 707 00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:55,572 between the suspects and their lawyers. 708 00:42:55,697 --> 00:42:58,534 Police had permission to listen in on phone calls of the people 709 00:42:58,617 --> 00:43:00,536 they were targeting, 710 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:02,288 but police aren't allowed to listen to phone calls 711 00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:04,914 when their targets are speaking with their lawyers. 712 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,041 They did so at a level that we claimed 713 00:43:07,126 --> 00:43:10,628 was not just inadvertent, wasn't just a mistake, 714 00:43:10,753 --> 00:43:12,130 it wasn't just a one-off. 715 00:43:12,213 --> 00:43:14,257 That this was actually consistently, 716 00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:17,260 they failed to comply with the terms of these court orders. 717 00:43:17,344 --> 00:43:19,429 The Crown commissioned an investigation 718 00:43:19,512 --> 00:43:21,181 by the Toronto Police to get to the bottom of it. 719 00:43:21,306 --> 00:43:23,976 Crown opted to stay those charges before the results 720 00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:27,228 of the investigation could be shown in open court. 721 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:30,690 And so now you've got all these cars, all these Ferraris, 722 00:43:30,815 --> 00:43:33,610 all the cash, all the booze. 723 00:43:33,735 --> 00:43:37,239 Well, what happens to it now? You have to give it back. 724 00:43:37,322 --> 00:43:38,949 Could you imagine you’re York Regional Police 725 00:43:39,032 --> 00:43:40,492 and you've seized all these goods, 726 00:43:40,576 --> 00:43:42,827 you flashed 'em around like trophies 727 00:43:42,911 --> 00:43:44,954 and now you have to go give it back to the people you've said 728 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:46,956 are criminals, you've said are murderers, 729 00:43:47,081 --> 00:43:49,043 you've said are extortionists. 730 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:51,170 Well, here you go. Here's your Ferrari back. 731 00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:54,297 Here's your booze back. Here are your watches back. 732 00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:56,175 Everything was useless. 733 00:43:56,257 --> 00:43:59,637 The entire thing fell apart, completely. 734 00:43:59,762 --> 00:44:03,097 Canadian taxpayers spent around $8 million 735 00:44:03,181 --> 00:44:05,851 on this year and a half investigation. 736 00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:07,268 And what was left to show for it? 737 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:09,855 Nothing. 738 00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:10,648 Police and prosecutors were left with their dicks in their hands. 739 00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:12,231 That's what was left. 740 00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:15,652 That shit don't happen in America. 741 00:44:15,735 --> 00:44:17,987 Feds put their claws in you, that's it. 742 00:44:18,112 --> 00:44:19,697 You're like a lobster. 743 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:23,034 You're boiling in the water, you're dead. 744 00:44:24,202 --> 00:44:26,079 Just give it up. 745 00:44:27,539 --> 00:44:29,791 You can't beat the US government. 746 00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:33,003 Angelo Figliomeni, if he was here, 747 00:44:33,086 --> 00:44:36,090 they would've shoved the RICO Act all the way up his ass 748 00:44:36,215 --> 00:44:39,009 where he wouldn't be able to take the pain. 749 00:44:39,092 --> 00:44:42,012 But in Canada, they don't have the RICO Act. 750 00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:44,347 So somebody screwed up. 751 00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:49,769 I mean how many times is Angelo Figliomeni been arrested? 752 00:44:49,894 --> 00:44:53,606 He keeps getting out because of technicality. 753 00:44:53,731 --> 00:44:57,985 Last time I heard the police had to release everything to him. 754 00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:00,989 His cars and everything, millions of dollars. 755 00:45:02,532 --> 00:45:04,992 When he went to pick up his cars, 756 00:45:05,077 --> 00:45:10,666 a friend of mine called me and said as he's taken his, 757 00:45:10,748 --> 00:45:14,210 I think it was a red Ferrari, he drove it 758 00:45:14,335 --> 00:45:19,675 and rolled down the window and said, "you fucking idiots." 759 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:23,846 It's always been my position. 760 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,472 It's the position of York Regional Police 761 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:27,766 that that case should have gone to court. 762 00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:30,018 Let those officers come to court, 763 00:45:30,101 --> 00:45:32,730 let the judge decide after hearing from the officers 764 00:45:32,855 --> 00:45:34,565 about what they did, 765 00:45:34,648 --> 00:45:36,692 whether evidence should be admissible or not. 766 00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:41,070 And then based on that, if evidence wasn't admissible 767 00:45:41,195 --> 00:45:42,780 and you don't get a conviction, 768 00:45:42,864 --> 00:45:44,240 will you and you don't get a conviction. 769 00:45:44,365 --> 00:45:46,909 But that case deserved an opportunity 770 00:45:46,994 --> 00:45:48,369 to be heard in court. 771 00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:53,375 One of the remarkable things about the Commisso family 772 00:45:53,458 --> 00:45:56,085 is how long they've been operating in Canada. 773 00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:58,338 {\an8}We're talking 50 years, half a century. 774 00:45:58,463 --> 00:46:01,759 {\an8}And so you'd wonder as a journalist or as anybody 775 00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:03,760 {\an8}who is familiar with organized crime, 776 00:46:03,885 --> 00:46:05,929 how do they have that staying power? 777 00:46:06,054 --> 00:46:08,974 How have they not been tossed in jail long-term? 778 00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:12,101 How have they not had their financial structure crippled? 779 00:46:12,226 --> 00:46:14,021 How have they not been killed? 780 00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:16,190 These guys have been around for 50 years 781 00:46:16,315 --> 00:46:19,193 and I think it speaks to the power, the longevity, 782 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:23,780 the ingenuity, and the criminal mastermind 783 00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:26,824 of an operation that they have going. 784 00:46:26,949 --> 00:46:30,829 And so what we see over the years from police reports 785 00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:34,081 speaking with sources, reports that have been done 786 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:36,293 is how the Commisso family 787 00:46:36,376 --> 00:46:40,005 gets their tentacles into the legitimate part of society. 788 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:42,132 These people aren't getting their physical hands 789 00:46:42,257 --> 00:46:44,300 dirty anymore. 790 00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:45,844 They're allegedly involved in the real estate industry, 791 00:46:45,969 --> 00:46:48,304 the construction industry, the restaurant industry, 792 00:46:48,387 --> 00:46:50,014 bars, cafés. 793 00:46:50,139 --> 00:46:52,434 Anywhere there's an opportunity to make money, 794 00:46:52,518 --> 00:46:54,268 they're part of it. 795 00:46:54,353 --> 00:46:56,438 And it all has the appearance of legitimacy 796 00:46:56,521 --> 00:46:58,315 because if you were to look at it, 797 00:46:58,398 --> 00:47:00,275 well, no, nothing's illegal is going on here. 798 00:47:00,358 --> 00:47:04,153 And part of what the Commisso family has allegedly done 799 00:47:04,278 --> 00:47:08,449 over the years to maintain their power is penetrate 800 00:47:08,534 --> 00:47:10,827 the powerful aspects of our society. 801 00:47:10,952 --> 00:47:13,038 And that means getting the politicians. 802 00:47:13,163 --> 00:47:15,164 That means getting into the banks. 803 00:47:15,248 --> 00:47:17,208 That means getting the cops. 804 00:47:21,463 --> 00:47:23,882 When you're trying to build a relationship with your targets, 805 00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:26,342 you do things like you buy them gifts. 806 00:47:26,425 --> 00:47:30,222 So cigars were bought for one of our targets 807 00:47:30,347 --> 00:47:32,474 and I'm a cigar smoker, 808 00:47:32,557 --> 00:47:36,394 and I went out and bought the same cigar for myself. 809 00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:40,148 And it was my commitment that when that person was arrested 810 00:47:40,231 --> 00:47:43,568 and charged and convicted, that I would smoke that cigar. 811 00:47:43,693 --> 00:47:47,864 So unfortunately, that cigar is still sitting in my humidor 812 00:47:47,989 --> 00:47:50,867 'cause I never got to smoke it. 813 00:47:50,951 --> 00:47:53,286 It's not my favorite cigar, but it's a very special cigar 814 00:47:53,411 --> 00:47:55,664 and hopefully one day I'll read the paper 815 00:47:55,746 --> 00:48:00,085 and stars will align and I'll get to finally smoke that cigar. 816 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,465 The lifespan of the 'Ndrangheta members. 817 00:48:06,592 --> 00:48:10,137 Some have been deported to Italy, some are in jail, 818 00:48:10,262 --> 00:48:12,097 some are dead. 819 00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:13,974 There's very few out there 820 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:17,143 that have gone on for a long, long time. 821 00:48:17,268 --> 00:48:19,813 Cos Commisso would be one of them. 822 00:48:19,938 --> 00:48:22,481 So I don't know what his secret sauce is, 823 00:48:22,608 --> 00:48:27,362 but he's managed to evade the police on more than one occasion 824 00:48:27,445 --> 00:48:30,032 and evade death... so far. 825 00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:38,248 Remo will probably die before he ever turns his life around. 826 00:48:38,331 --> 00:48:40,166 And if the dead do walk, 827 00:48:40,291 --> 00:48:43,085 then he ain't turning it around then either 828 00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:45,213 he's going to stay Remo. 829 00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:47,257 He's going to die eventually. we're all going to die. 830 00:48:47,382 --> 00:48:49,342 But who knows who takes after. 831 00:49:08,152 --> 00:49:12,239 So it doesn't end here, doesn't end here at all. 832 00:49:13,951 --> 00:49:16,119 It's like a circle, a merry-go-round. 833 00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:19,331 That's all you do is keep going round and round and round. 834 00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:24,378 Either you die or someone else dies. 835 00:49:24,503 --> 00:49:25,378 And for what? 836 00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:43,206 They had their fun with me, they got away with me doing shit 837 00:50:43,289 --> 00:50:45,125 and they never paid for it. 838 00:50:47,585 --> 00:50:52,590 So payback motherfuckers, fuck 'em all. 839 00:50:53,884 --> 00:50:56,510 I got fucked without agreeing to get laid. 840 00:50:59,556 --> 00:51:01,349 That's why I am doing it. 841 00:51:03,226 --> 00:51:04,518 Oh boy. 842 00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:10,317 I've never been afraid of anything in my life, 843 00:51:10,442 --> 00:51:11,568 especially them. 844 00:51:11,693 --> 00:51:14,237 I only fear God and that's it. 845 00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:18,282 They can shoot me, kill me, but not words, nothing. 846 00:51:18,407 --> 00:51:21,786 I've been shot, what? Two and a half times in my life. 847 00:51:21,911 --> 00:51:25,039 It burns, it hurts for a while, but you get over it. 848 00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:26,541 I turned on the Commissos 849 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,418 because they were different than me 850 00:51:28,543 --> 00:51:31,088 and I figured I was better than them. 851 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:32,755 I've done some terrible things, 852 00:51:32,838 --> 00:51:34,590 but I do not want to become like them 853 00:51:34,673 --> 00:51:38,762 because they are murder incorporated... period. 854 00:51:38,844 --> 00:51:41,597 They don't care who they have to kill, 855 00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:43,809 or what they what they have to kill, 856 00:51:43,934 --> 00:51:46,143 and they still do it to this day. 857 00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:57,530 I've moved over 50 times in the last, what, 40 years? 858 00:51:59,949 --> 00:52:02,034 I'm getting a little tired of it. 859 00:52:03,661 --> 00:52:05,746 How do I want to be remembered? 860 00:52:05,831 --> 00:52:07,541 I don't want to be remembered. 861 00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:11,753 There was never a talk about the future. 862 00:52:11,836 --> 00:52:14,422 It was a day-to-day life. 863 00:52:15,798 --> 00:52:17,634 It was a day-to-day life. 864 00:52:17,717 --> 00:52:19,260 You never know what's going to happen tomorrow. 865 00:52:20,846 --> 00:52:22,222 You didn't think about the future. 866 00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:24,014 I think about the future now 867 00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:30,813 because things are so... 868 00:52:30,896 --> 00:52:36,360 but a lot of old gangsters never prepared for old age. 869 00:52:40,489 --> 00:52:43,117 I'm still in touch with my family from Canada. 870 00:52:43,201 --> 00:52:45,786 I still have the contacts. 871 00:52:45,871 --> 00:52:49,416 And my old boss, I have respect for him and we say hello 872 00:52:49,541 --> 00:52:52,668 and hopefully in the next future, 873 00:52:52,793 --> 00:52:56,380 the near future I should say, we're going to see-- 874 00:52:56,505 --> 00:52:59,592 spend time together and he come and visit. 875 00:52:59,717 --> 00:53:03,387 And yes, so our friends, our brothers, our family, 876 00:53:03,512 --> 00:53:05,347 we have contact that way. 877 00:53:05,431 --> 00:53:08,226 I got to make plans to meet very soon. 878 00:53:09,894 --> 00:53:11,563 I'm a piece of shit because I took the way out 879 00:53:11,646 --> 00:53:13,481 because I wanted to make the money quick and easy and fast, 880 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:15,525 and I wanted to have everything in my hands 881 00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:17,860 and I didn't care who I hurt and who I didn't hurt 882 00:53:17,943 --> 00:53:20,405 or what I had to do. 883 00:53:20,487 --> 00:53:22,865 So I always said I'm a piece of shit since I was 13 years old 884 00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:24,617 and I don't want to give up my power and my money. 885 00:53:24,742 --> 00:53:27,536 I want to die with power and money. 886 00:53:27,621 --> 00:53:30,289 So I'm not going to give up 887 00:53:30,414 --> 00:53:33,501 until I have everything I wanted before... the same I had, right?